Gotenks was a fused being who achieved SSJ3. Vegeta is yes indeed strong but I want to disagree with all of ya'll. In conclusion SSJ3 is ALWAYS stronger than SSJ2 with 2 people of similiar power levels. 5 years ago | 25 views. And finnally Vegeta could go ssj3. Gotenks fought in SSJ3 against Super Buu and his fusion time dropped. Should vegeta have turned super saiyan 3? Either Vegeta could do it and he didn't want to, or he simply couldn't. We all know that he did transform into SSJ by 'normal' means, and I think I did clarify that he kinda does on SSJ4 as well. I dont think that is able to be done unless your fused because if you train in super sayian 2 for along time you can not be stronger than you ss3 form because that form is what i believe 20times stronger than your last form and the more you train in your lower levels of SS the higher power you will have in your other forms, The reason Vegito was more powerful than a Ssj2 two was because it was two fighters fused together it was the whole point y vegeta let babidi control him. Gotenks is similar to Goku's dead self in that fusions, like dead people, are much harder to kill. Throughout the Dragon Ball series, Vegeta has managed to keep up with the escalating Super Saiyan transformations of his longtime frenemy and rival, Goku. Dance: Old Kai states flat out that dance creates a stronger fusion than the earings. Gotenks also uses SS3 to fight an evoilved form of Buu and manages to fight him to pretty much a standstill. The first to turn into SSJ3 was Goku in episode 245 thanks to a hard training in the Other World. Plus Goku had 7years of training. (when he joined the z-fighters, he lost his hatred and drive to kill Goku, thus making him impure). "Full blooded saiyans, never change their hair since the day they are born" and morst definatley, where has the black star dragon balls come from ????? Find GIFs with the latest and newest hashtags! Legendary: Brolly is shown to be SS1 and SS2 but surpasses all previous known levels of SS power (SS2 up to that point) and is at a level called "Legendary", although that may be due to the amount of his power at his level. So the reason Vegeta never went ssj3 will forever be a mystery unless the creator ,Akira Toriyama decides to inform the community. he was confident of defeating majin buu when he cudnt in his ss2 form. In the android saga, Trunks mentioned that Vegeta knew about the USSJ form and didn't use it because he knew the limitations/drawbacks. His mind is tainted by the envy he has for Goku, and without a pure-heart, there's only so far he can push his limits. The only reason Goku went ssj4 becuase ofthe Kais help and Pan. However, still DBZ back in 1995 and even GT with no evidence at all, as to whether or not Vegeta ever unlock Super Saiyan 3.. TL;DR, Goku and Gotenks are the only other SSJ3s shown, and they both achieved it through supernatural means (being dead or being fused). When Goku reached ASSJ/USSJ1 and then USSJ/USSJ2 he realised that bulking up and forcing his power to increase isn't the best way to increase power level. SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are exactly even. Oh and Gohan wasn't Mystic agianst Broly and Goku was only SSJ not SSJ2. But Vegeta, possessing neither access to training in the afterlife nor the vast energy reserves of a fused fighter, was unable to make the transformation himself. You can at least be stronger than a Super Saiyan 2 in a Super Saiyan 1 stage. In fact, during their rematch, while Goku was back on Earth, he was visibly upset that Goku had kept the form a secret from him. Introduced towards the end of Dragon Ball Z, Goku unveiled his Super Saiyan 3 transformation while fighting Majin Buu. He could have done it in the 10 year gap between Buu Saga and End of Z, because he claims that he and Goku would need a planet for a battlefield, but if he was stuck at SSJ2, Goku would domination him, but of course, Akira didn't really show it, so that's very unlikely. The person at the top of this section is wrong. SSJ2 is x500. I believe the levels of Super Saiyans make a Saiyan stronger, but I also believe that the previous forms can be improved upon and become more developed. If the question is "Which is more reliable in battle?" like i also mentioned before goku says "wow, u have really outdone yorself in the past 7 years" which cud mean dat he actually sensed vegeta's strenght earlier and realised he has reached ss2 before babidi controlled him. And this was after they all achieved the form already. —This unsigned comment was made by Ibman55 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time! Secondly I want to say vegeta might have been able to if he the training goku had but he didn't. SSJ2 multiples a Saiyans base power by 100x and SSJ3 multiples a Saiyans base power by 400x. Vegeta's overconfidence leads him to allow Cell to absorb Android 18, upon which Cell achieves his "perfect" form. Still weaker than Goku, but much closer. after the fight wen vegeta yells at gohan for not finishing dabura off, gohan himself states dat if vegeta fought dabura, then vegeta wud of beaten him. While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, … Goku uses this form to fight Mahin Buu, later stating that he could have beaten MB but did not because he wanted the others to do it because he would not always be around to protect the Earth. Here are some real reliable facts. I have see some people saying that he doesnt transform into SSJ2 by normal means (using the argument that he only achieve SSJ2 by the help of Babidi), well, he kinda does: "It is sometimes debated when he first achieved this form. Upon achievement, it is easier to master the form, but every time a character unlocks a new one, it is much more painful than later uses (of course, this may just be for plot reasons). 22:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC), Vegeta became SSJ2 by training,but he was a weak one.Magin powers exaggerated on his SSJ2 powers.Otherwise he was weaker than Cell in those 7 years--------Ucell, no he was not weaker than cell. Goku was dead, with a body that could not feel hunger and had unlimited "life". Fans like to claim that Super Saiyan has become less special with time while forgetting that Dragon Ball made its overuse an actual plot point.The race to Super Saiyan 2 ends up being the driving force for every Saiyan character in the Cell arc's second half, but Akira Toriyama more importantly introduced Future Trunks as a Super Saiyan not long after Super Saiyan Goku's fight with Frieza. But if you think about it, he did think back when Goku went ssj3 and was fighting Buu; said that Goku was indeed stronger, and that he wondered how he became so strong. The only reason Goku went SSJ3 was because he trained in the heavens for so long, while Vegta only traind on Earth. Super revealed Saiyans as being able to harness godly energy through a ritual to transform into Super Saiyan Gods. he was able to reach ss2 by training himelf. vegta does not need a got heart to ssj u need pure of evil or good and sayians r born evil evil is the proper and normal way to go, vegeta deos not need a good heart to become anything evil is the way sayains were born evil so evil is the key for a sayian, Just because he had the ability to ascend to Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2 and Ultra Super Saiyan, does not mean he had the ability to transform to Super Saiyan 3. Then SSJ3 is the better option. If you disagree with that, think about this. if babidi gave vegeta the ability to use ss2 form, then goku wud not state dat.TheDarkPrinceReturns! He fought Majin Buu with SSJ3 and it diminished his time on Earth. The comparison between Dabura and Cell is a comparison between Dabura and Super Perfect Cell. Goku acheived it because he was dead and DID have his body. It produces a ton of strain and is, to put it simply, an unbalanced form. I think its just one of the many plotholes within Dragonball Z. Evidenced by Gohan getting his but handed to him by Cell then ascending to SS2 and beating Cell like it was nothing. Browse more videos. This rises the question of "Can a SS1 be stronger than an SS2?" I've also heard debate the Super Majin Vegeta is essentially his equivalent of Super Saiyan 3, since he goes into Second Stage and then gets a power boost. If Vegeta was seen as a powerful being that had the potential to save the day, that could take away from Goku's image as the series hero. i would assume one of the main reasons Vegeta never went to SS3 is cause of the "10 years of Peace" or "Modest living" after Buu. Vegeta should be perfectly capable of reaching through to Super Sayian 3, since Goku said reaching a higher power comes through need and not always through wanting it. All of the Super Saiyan forms have drawbacks, if you look close enough. That's just what I think, I could be totally wrong. When Goku fought Freeza and turned SS1 for the first time his power level was only around 15,000,000 (I think). yo goku cheats his way to get dtrong vegta doesent vegeta stronger. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. yes they are fused when they do it but vegeta is stronger then themi beleive(*edited* .. are you stupid ? Goku explained that maintaining Super Saiyan 3 in a normal, living body burns through energy dangerously fast and creates a tremendous amount of strain. 10/10: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is a semi reliable unit due to his ability to eat damage but also deal it out in the 2nd and 3rd stage. Playing next. After regaining control of the towering beast, Vegeta was able to transform into a Super Saiyan 4 instead, bypassing Super Saiyan 3, implying that any Super Saiyan could potentially transform into a Super Saiyan 4 through Bulma's device...if they managed to control their Golden Great Ape state. vegeta apesar de no anime não usar a transformação, veceu todas as batalhas disputas entre ele e goku, majin vegeta ssj2 é a nivel de goku ssj3, vegeta ssj3 humilharia goku ssj3. So what’s wrong with Vegeta! well actily vegeta did turn super saiyan 3 but could never do it agin in one of the movies. During the fight against Kid Buu, Vegeta also saw that Goku's living body couldn't handle the strain (literally leaving him with little to no ki), so he chose not to go SSJ3 (even though it would've helped a bit) because of this. Like Trunks said after Cell told him about the flaws of USSJ: "So that's why dad chose not to transform this way. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. I'm a major dbz fan, and I think that personlly it could go either way. I just think its a plothole.—This unsigned comment was made by SonJohn (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time! However, their reasons are different. Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. Goku revealed that he had discovered the form while training for seven years in the afterlife, granting him a significant boost over Super Saiyan 2. SuperGogeta91 03:38, June 14, 2012 (UTC). Well that's just wrong, it would be a lot harder to achieve in the real world yes but all it really means is that Vegeta would have to train a lot harder harder than he ever has before. Gotenks in ssj3 form was coompletly stronger than vegeta. Remember after the seven years of peace after Cell died? Report. Goku had already achieved and most likely practiced with SSJ3 before he fought Kid Buu, and yet the form was still a strain. 20:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes they did fight while vegeta was in his majin form. babidi did unlock sum of vegeta's 'evil' potential but it was not ss2. Dragonball GT Episode 59 Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta. What Babidi did, at it's stated by Babidi himself, was to unleash Vegeta's potential, and you can notice that by the strain in Vegeta's muscles. Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear? Yeah, thats the only reason goku went ssj3 and thats the only reason he's alive. also, as Vegeta-San stated, daizenshu states dat vegeta reached the form thru harsh training meaning dat it is official. When he went ssj4, he needed Bulma's machine to do it(not even Baby could do it himself), and after the form wore off; Goku asked why he didn't transform again, and he shouted shutup!, implying that he could transform (even after attaining the form) without the Blutz Wave Generator. Honour Gene's can go SSJ3. Therefore, there are several issues with Vegeta turning SSJ3, though one is considerably more speculative. Second Goku says Daburas around Cells level, Hes probally referring to the last Cell hes seen aka Perfect Cell not super perfect Cell. But when he started to care about others again, that slowed down his progress again. So what is the problem with his SSJ3 form then? The best GIFs are on GIPHY. You can follow him on Twitter @samstoneshow and ask him about Nintendo, pop punk, and Star Trek. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Even … Yes, he needs the blutz machine, but its mainly to grown his tail back and to use it as a substitute to the moon (or other celestial corpse that emits blutz waves), because sayajins needs blutz waves to transform into the great ape, which is necessary to achieve the SSJ4. Of course, Gohan didn't constantly train like Goku and Vegeta, so his power level could have decreased, but I'm not sure if that's a thing. Vegeta is a smart fighter, maybe the smartest between all the Z-Fighters. Vegeta can reach it with enough drive and training he could do it Also people keep bringing up DBGT, I'm sorry but you can not include anything from GT since it was made and written by someone else and was made for no other reason than to pull more money in from the DB franchise. RELATED: Dragon Ball Super: Goku WILL Overpower Beerus - Here's How. Since then, the only other character ever seen using the form is the composite warrior Gotenks. vegeta reached points in his power way before goku did. Unless his Gene's wont allow it or whether you need to be pure good or bad, I Dont know although vegeta is a mix of good and bad and was still able to reach the first ssj form, If the manga or cartoons haven't stated anything about restrictions like this, I dont see why he couldn't keep increasing his power level. I may not be a huge Vegeta fan, but I believe it's possible, or maybe he just didn't WANT to. Great Ape/SSJ3 completely disturb this balance. Of course Buu-Saga-Base-Form Goku would beat Frieza-Saga-SSJ1 Goku, that's just plain obvious. I doubt he could've done it completely on his own. And without Goku around, Vegeta lost any reason left to train, and like Gohan became weaker and more mellowed. Even if he did, he did not have the time to attempt to learn it before King Yemma brought him back to fight Buu. By the end of DBZ, Vegeta probably didnt have the enormous amount of ki to transform neither control the transformation, but, in between DBZ and DBGT he DID trained, and I think he did get stronger enough to be able to transform and control the SSJ3. Frieza Saga Goku was when he just went SSJ1 for the first time, and Vegito happened during the Buu Saga, 12 years after Frieza Saga! A lot of people on here don't think Vegeta can reach SSJ3 all because Goku did it in the otherworld which makes it impossible in the real world. He didnt have to for Ssj1 and 2. Cooper31684 02:02, February 1, 2012 (UTC) *someone else* i would like to point out, Goku only inspired Gohan to bring out his full power, he passed on encouragement. Meaning vegeta was prepare to fight goku but never got change because all they fight in the past ended in a draw. Vegeta will definitely go Super saiyan 3 in DBZ 2013 movie and Millions of DBZ favs will cum there pants, my prediction there gunna give his a cool new look like a red hue or glow along with the golden aurora an hair!! Training in the otherworld just allowed Goku to reach SSJ3 quicker because his body there didn't get as stressed from all the training. Actually the whole Super Saiyan 'level' thing gets kind of confusing really. the series was alright but, poit is, vegeta could have reached ss3 because, as said in "GT" a saiyan's true form is a ssj4, so ssj3 could have been reached by vegeta :) also to correct a few people above about gotenks . ", the short answer is no. Throughout dragonball Z Vegeta has always pushed himself to the limits trying to best Goku resulting in him becoming a super saiyan 1 and 2. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. Using the Dance technique Goten and Trunks fuse at their base levels and become Gotenks, who then becomes a SS1 and then , skipping 2, a SS3. SSJ2 would probably be better, although you run the risk of not being strong enough to win. The 6 Strongest Pokémon Ash Has Ever Trained. Vegeta, however, pushes himself to be the strongest warrior just because. And btw, just because he says to Goku that he will not be obsessed with trying to be stronger than Goku anymore and/or because Goku isnt such present anymore doesnt mean that Vegeta stopped training, neither that he take it easier one training, after all he still is Vegeta, the proud Prince of the Sayans. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Meanwhile, Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue evidently do not. Le stade de Super Saiyan 3est énergivore, et l'utilisateur ne peut rester sous cette forme que pendant une courte durée. I always thought it was because Vegeta would look stupid in ssj3 :). 5 years ago | 23 views. Plus, with Goku dying so much and all, ? character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training.". Vegeta may be cocky, but fighting-wise he isn't stupid (at least to me). Vegeta and Gohan had no reason to train and then when GT came up they just let Goku fight every battle. Thus it would be quite difficult for Vegeta to achieve SSJ3, even if he had more than enough power. I've been telling people this a lot and've been studing it. 1:20. And btw, we are at DB wiki, how people dont use information of this site? When he went ssj2 he needed a power boost and a drive(such as pure hatred and evil) from Babidi(he also made his heart PURE evil again), and once he attained the form with Babidi's help, he could attain the form at any time. The reason is simple. did u by any chance miss the saga?TheDarkPrinceReturns! or like we're talking about now, "Can a SS2 be stronger than a SS3?". 14:28, April 6, 2010 (UTC), Actually, TheDarkPrinceReturns! While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, ostensibly after receiving divine martial arts training from Beerus and Whis, Universe 7's God of Destruction and attending angel. At the end of DBZ when Goku says that theres someone strong Bulma even says that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest and that no one can even challenge them. he got his tail unlike with Vegetta. He knows the drawbacks that a SSJ3 form brings, so maybe on the few times that he really fought for real, he maybe, realize that SSJ3 was not better than SSJ2 (taking into consideration that the enemy is stronger than the SSJ3 form and its drawbacks)? Sadly, Vegeta was unable to replicate it, and in the Dragon Ball Super Series, the prince of Saiyans was seen moving from stage 2 to Super Saiyan God and then Blue without passing by the third stage. Vegeta with his whole experience, cant? Many times, fusions will take on a great deal of damage, but instead of dying, they merely defuse. His pure-hearted intentions are what drive him to push his limits and the limits of his Super Saiyan powers to new levels. Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. 1:11. Super revealed Saiyans as being able to harness godly energy through a ritual to transform into Super Saiyan Gods. even the author explains it on one of his blogs. the only reason why Vegeta reached ss4 is because the writer made a very predictable ending.Thought Both saiyans have an urge to fight, Goku puts his purposes to protecting the universe, Vegeta on the other hand .. he has no purpose anymore since he has settled down on Earth. In any case, it's entirely possible that Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 3 between the end of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. ssj3 isnt one of the ssj 4 requirements, If a fusion of two half-Saiyans can reach Super Saiyan 3, then I believe Vegeta, an Elite who is a pure blooded Saiyan, can also reach it. The reasons that he did not on the anime can be; 1. He spends all of his time playing catch up that he never even thought to consider a possiblity of a form beyond Super Saiyan. Si l'utilisateur est mort, comme Gokû lors de sa première utilisation, le corps est moins sujet à la fatigue et cette transformation peut être conservée plus longtemps. Mystic: Gohan apparently skips everything after SS2 and reaches a level called "Mystic", although that may have just been an unofficial term, it was still the peak of his power and was not enough to defeat Buu. . All these people saying Vegeta doesnt care about being stronger then Goku are crazy. Although Buu may have not been using his full power. Why would he ask Goku? Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! (P.S. Krillin then throws him a Senzu Bean, and he eats it. After all, Goku did it in Dragon Ball Super, and a couple of time in Dragon Ball Super, and it’s the same for Gotenks. He understood that it was extremely powerful, yet it had serious drawbacks. Plain and simple he didn't go super sayain 3 in dbz or gt so logically we have to assume he can't. There's a lot more to it than just SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4. I think he meant base form Gotenks,Anyway Vegeta
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