Could not find anything on the web. Watch videos produced by Ravi Zacharias and RZIM's team of speakers and writers (or filter the videos by selecting specific topics). to me – said nobody ever. I don’t think people in general handle repetition well unless it’s something mindless or not important. (And what about Mickey Mouse T-shirts and kewpie-doll faux-hawks?). I am so sorry. Perhaps they didn’t “fall” so much as “slip up” and provide a watching world too clear a glimpse of who they always were. A few years ago I got the Orthodox Study Bible and eagerly read it. I believe it’s possible for a person to believe four points without believing the fifth, although I don’t think it’s possible to do it consistently or logically. Ravi’s heart was people. For me, it was like looking at an optical illusion and only being able to see it one way, until I saw it the other way and could no longer not see it both ways. And do I trust the goodness of my heart so much that I'm not going to find ways to check myself?”. In the case of Calvinist churches, the good news is some (and only some) have been chosen to be saved from eternity past, and there is nothing they can do to change it, while everyone else has been chosen for eternal conscious torment, and there is nothing they can do to escape it. Who has healed all our diseases, and has filled our mouths with good things, so that our youth has been renewed list the eagle’s? Sproul and Ravi Zacharias shared and for the many times Ravi taught at Ligonier conferences. Those I know that value their license would never ever compromise whereas foreign women who might not have their passports because someone high up is holding them, fear reprisals. NAMB’s purpose is church planting, but it looks to me like they are shifting church consulting out of Lifeway into NAMB. And so of the Holy Spirit. But for every fact that you find out is true, that it makes it more likely that the next thing that you will find out is true. Pastor Steven Flockhart’s fall from grace, resignation tied to resume lies: Ravi’s behavior is pretty common for Indian men. Wow, Johnny is a world traveler, not unlike the greatest Christian apologist of the 21st century. Someone else can always fix the problem, why bother getting invested, we are just going to use the programs we need, etc. I asked a friend who runs a ministry in India to look over this article and give me their feedback.This is what they wrote to me for a more India centric view: “Flockhart and his wife threatened the church I think. Which is why people like RZ think they can get away with trafficking humans, and they do often get away with it. I want to read your blog, but this is horrible….I am speechless. Open Discussion Page, © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 - The Wartburg Watch. And when they reopened, they have a grand opening and invite some famous people to come. He did not have the same kind of personality and he seemed to care about individuals in ways that his son and Patterson did not. And no religion too We may have listeners who do not know who Ravi Zacharias was. I tend to blame abuse on how some churches are organized, like a non-denominational church is essentially “Pastor Bob’s Church” with little oversight. Now we know he was just one of many snake oil peddlers. I also find it odd that members of his family were on his board. Evangelical Universalism: Jesus saves everyone, but not until they repent and believe. I never was a fan of Ravi Zacharias. If you make uncle Kevin look good, by being in an unconventional demographic, it can be a few hundred grand. When Vince Vitale arrived to study philosophy at Princeton, he thought the phrase “reasonable faith” was an oxymoron and that all faith had to be blind. For example: https://julieroys.com/78-6-million-ppp-funds-televangelists-megachurches/, I think the publicist should get a prize for coming up with “fulfill a Senior VP ministry.” This antic mars things in a number of ways, one being integrity. (Screenshot/YouTube: Ravi Zacharias International Ministries) Comments Adam Barnes General Assignment Reporter. He was having back pain and Ravi was providing excellent masseuses. Ouch! This would also acknowledge the reality that a lot (not all, but a lot) of what passes for “church” in our day is about “pleasing people” rather than “honoring God.”. Ravi Zacharias as a Doctor, is certainly qualified to judge the ability of a masseuse. The more I think about it, I’ve known numerous 5-Point Calvinists … I can’t say that “happy” would be the first descriptor of their lives. Whose human sympathy flows down in one continuous stream from that abode of glory, blending with our every trial, and suffering, and sorrow? Muff Potter: Even the small-time operators (non-mega) are feeling the pinch of an over-saturated market (fundagelicalism). Your passage I quoted is accurate enough for some hyper Calvinists. Note the hinted more serious matters could well be misappropriation of funds or some other economic malfeasance. It’s also getting harder to believe that hard working Christian folk still bankroll these guys. - Dr. Vince Vitale. Jun 3, 2020 - Explore H M's board "Ravi Zacharias" on Pinterest. A former member told me she believed they even intentionally adopted strategies from Scientology now, because of the power those strategies allow them to hold over members. The Bible is handled reverently, it isn’t thumped or waved around like it is a weapon. or herbalife, amway, etc. In addition to witness interviews, we have reviewed numerous documents and electronic devices used by Mr. Zacharias over the years…. Is this blog really a scam and your “1” is the clue?? Personally, IMHO, the amazing work of TWW far outweighs this. Must keep up with the Furticks. Reformed icon R.C. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. My dad told me to never trust a preacher who faked & baked, didn’t wear a tie, and/or wore gold choker chains. I have pondered and read every serious word on this post, as I do on all posts here. Put some effort in. Oh, it was the eternal Spirit, and He, too, is for us. Hunt and ordained by Hunt in 1990. What is “Good” to God? He was going to go to the local paper.Flockhart went into a Hunt “rehab” after all that and has now re-emerged in Georgia heading up a church of roughly 800. Non-Calvinist good ole boys who float to the top of the pot have certainly contributed to SBC’s decline. They DELIBERATELY copied Elron Hubbard? Not much distance between there and “I AM GOD!”, is there? However, I think that if a person really understands the other four points and is thinking at all clearly, he must believe in limited atonement because of what Martin Luther called a resistless logic. If the style is your focus or just pleasing yourself then you are already on a path that leads away from Jesus Christ. Zacharias … It as to mean something about not trusting celebrity and not trusting power and taking the accounts of people who aren't very powerful seriously. And there is not a moment of time, nor a circumstance of life, in which He does not show Himself strong in behalf of His people. – but it was marvellous stuff, even though he held distinctly unreformed views on some things. I agree with you that we need better words to discuss all of this. Which then made me wonder if any of their beliefs were really about theology, as they say, or personal bias. How did you, and how have you, balanced the tension of navigating all of this stuff as a Christian and a journalist? The abusive churches we highlight here point you to the celebrity in the spotlight who tells you not how to think but what to think. It would be interesting to know the salaries of Hunt and Law, salaries paid through the generous donations of SBC church members. But people who do the same things by rote every day or week lose touch with the content (and yes, I think contemporary services can be just as rote as liturgical services). http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2013/10/ergun-caner-platform-guest-at-richard.html?m=1, I should point out that both spas were at the same location but existed at different times, 10990 State Bridge Rd UNIT [or Suite] E, Alpharetta [or Johns Creek], GA 30022 Unbelievably, Hunt informs Baughman that Ravi Zacharias “would fly women in from India to do the treatments” for his back pain. Money and women are downfalls for Indian men. How dotted the map of your journeyings, how many-colored the stones that have paved your path, how varied and blended the hues that compose the picture of your life! This gives the industry a black eye when there are those that care about their profession. Southern Baptist’s fundamentalist wing reveres Hunt”, “Flockhart said he was ‘licensed to preach’ in 1986 by Rev. If so, there are a whole lot more victims out there than we realize. They all independently and separately said, “We don't want money. Vision and passion have to be worth something! So there's a sense where I think him having come from India also drew a lot of American evangelicals to wonder what he had to say, to give us both an English perspective on things but also an Indian perspective on things. Or are you a “foreigner” in church? I wonder, again….is this blog a farce, a joke? Zacharias didn’t keep his involvement in the spas secret. It takes time to understand it and get used to it. Ravi Zacharias (1946–2020) [Video] May 28, 2020, 10:40 pm 1.8k Views. Perhaps they didn’t “fall” so much as “slip up” and provide a watching world too clear a glimpse of who they always were. After graduation, I could have taken specialized massage therapy training in treating vehicular injuries, lymphatic drainage techniques (often needed for women who have had a mastectomy), specific pregnancy techniques, etc.. At one time, I practiced as a massage therapist not far from a “massage parlour”. Headless Unicorn Guy: Jacob: The Bible is handled reverently, it isn’t thumped or waved around like it is a weapon. prodinov: pursuing a career in various areas of massage, such as pediatrics, medical massage, deep tissue, etc. As questionable as the actions of Paige Patterson and Paul Pressler (former SBC leaders) were, I cannot imagine them thinking that speaking at the grand opening of a health spa/massage clinic would ever be a good idea. might as well be mary kay cosmetics. That means no individual is damned or born bound for glory, but that those who reject Christ are damned already and those that repent and believe in Christ are “in Christ” and all who are “in Christ” are predestined for heaven. For those in the health area, this is standard: SOAP=Subjective-Objective-Assessment-Plan. Safeguards…, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Z6Y82zQSU. The Bible is handled reverently, it isn’t thumped or waved around like it is a weapon. If Jesus is your bottom line, then you can go without the routine for a while without falling all to pieces. More than that, he beat some of the other megas in the timeline, which I’m sure gave him a competitive edge. If this sticks then RZIM is dead. All people doing this about people, not God, not the Bible. I was able to obtain financial records that had his name on them and show that he was a part-owner, I found a record that indicated that he'd invested around $50,000, and he also had a business card listing himself as an owner of one of these day spas. I grew up in Johns Creek and have been to FBC Woodstock a number of times. The mega-machinery cannot survive in moth balls for very long … it needs to be fed. We are grateful for the friendship that R.C. They’ve been groomed to be scared of lots of things. Can you give us an overview of his life and work? Combining those interviews with our review of documents and electronic data, we have found significant, credible evidence that Mr. Zacharias engaged in sexual misconduct over the course of many years. He’s probably much more generous than we imagine or give him credit for. Nice to see you’re ending the year with your usual goodwill to all men except Calvinists, Max. ishy: I am a little surprised that Hunt was offered a position at NAMB, even with the merger of his ministry into it. ishy: I’m coming to my own conclusion that knowledge was never the point. I think that is Hunt’s testimony as well. And while we do have a praise band, we don’t do fog machines and laser shows. Course he went to Hunt’s church so would defend him. (Screenshot credit: Ravi Zacharias International Ministries/Youtube) As believers around the world mourn the death of beloved Bible teacher Ravi Zacharias, popular Christian leaders are … LTRJ Note: The following news story is posted for informational and research purposes and is going to be difficult for some to read. They cite a verse, whoever gets it first stands up and reads it! (Anyone remember the Eighties Pat Benatar song, “Stop Using Sex as a Weapon?” That holds for the other S-word, too — SCRIPTURE(TM).). I wonder if we need different language to described these highly visible flameouts. We then went back and forth, and I contacted them again when I had some more information that they have now hired a law firm that is going to conduct an investigation. Who inspired the first pulsation of life, and lighted the first spark of love; who created the first ray of hope in our soul, and dried the first tear of godly grief from our eye? E coli food poisoning. Most of our IT sector is Indian. I got a chair massage, which I thought was alright at the time. (sell books, conferences, new media – DVD’s, etc.) Sproul struck me as kind of smug in the DVD series of his that I saw. Under Ezell, it focuses on setting up new ministers. A simple view of places to get a massage for back pain, etc in the Woodstock area numbers in excess of 10 locations. He informed Baughman that Ravi Zacharias’ plan was to”make the gospel known through the profits of the company.” Alrighty then, gospelly-centered sex trafficking. Daniel Sillman: I contacted RZIM last week to tell them that I was working on this and I asked to speak to somebody. In the US, Orthodoxy developed as a means to serve the needs of migrants, so it ended up being fractured along ethnic lines. And they care way more about winning some argument than if their neighbor is dying. If I had to boil it down to my most basic complaint about Calvinism and Calvinists it would be their insistence (and often glee) that God is pleased and glorified to eternally punish the majority of humanity with unendurable torture when he could save everyone. I’m certain there were red flags from the beginning, but past leaders taught those church members to look for the red flags instead of to avoid them. One of the key effects of abuse is making you feel thrown out and like refuse in the world. And that the only reason that they spoke up is that they believe that there are other women out there who are victims who think that they're alone or think that this is their fault, that they actually did something to cause a great Christian man to stumble, and have blamed themselves or just felt really, really alone in their trauma. great way to “rev up” elementary school kids.. and get them ready later in life to through a scripture reference at any problem, issue, question! Silly of me, maybe, but I just have a strong negative reaction to it, especially on the more serious posts. Technically, Arminians are reformed, but many who call themselves reformed would exclude Armimians (and would also exclude most New-Calvinists). Johnny Hunt has always given me the creeps, and looking at these videos reminds me why. Besides, it is not surprising that our eyes should be blinded by intense light, so that we cannot certainly judge how God wishes all to be saved, and yet has devoted all the reprobate to eternal destruction, and wishes them to perish. It isn’t hard to do A genuine strong point in a movement I had to drop out of was that the Bible studies themselves, when unalloyed (if possible) with manoeuvrings, were comparatively solid, so I look back gratefully for that much. Rinse, repeat. COnsulting has become a huge business in the church in general. Sign Up For Our Newsletter “Church plants” aren’t groups of Christians who need a new church. Well, now I have to reevaluate my theory because you actually DO seem to understand Calvinism. Caner had a sordid and questionable past and the details were well documented but Hunt, as with many others, ignored this and supported Caner even though he was a “fake”. Calvinism: Jesus saved those in Christ. Daniel Sillman: As I was writing and reporting, I kept thinking about people three groups of people. If any one should object—then there is no election of God, by which he has predestinated a fixed number to salvation, the answer is at hand: the Prophet does not here speak of God’s secret counsel, but only recalls miserable men from despair, that they may apprehend the hope of pardon, and repent and embrace the offered salvation. This sounds like trafficking to me. There's two of them who told me they don't even want an apology. Did he convince others this was a part of his culture? I have opinions of Hunt but much is speculative. The allegations are about sexual harassment at business two businesses that he owned and toward the people that worked there. And they alleged that Zacharias would come in regularly for treatments on his back and in the process of that sexually harassed them. Jeffrey J Chalmers: I remember “sword drills”! And there were standard parts of his biography that seems to shift and maybe get exaggerated, and then parts that kind of couldn't be confirmed. Then you just have a small group of people who constantly cause trouble and who aren’t really interested in a community atmosphere. SBC is crippled on two fronts in moving forward for Christ: New Calvinism and the good ole boy network. 13:12.) Audio Book (CD) $32.50. But it is now. He worked out a deal where a cooperating church could get their donations to a specific church plant under the NAMB umbrella count as a NAMB donation. What do all of these abuse allegations mean for evangelism? The bottom line is the church provoking you to rely on a Spirit you cannot see or on their own religious system? Now the mission is spreading reformed theology … NAMB plants theology, not Gospel churches. RZIM made the announcement on Wednesday afternoon in an update to its staff, donors, and supporters. linda: While that is the message of the majority of Calvinists, it is not the message of all Calvinists. I live in the Bible belt West. Michael in UK: We leading males should adopt Royal Guardsmen wigs to signal our distinctives. ishy: I think megas are falling out of favor and I think that’s where the fastest losses are coming from. You know the answer Ken. A defender of traditional evangelicalism, Zacharias is the author of numerous Christian books, including the Gold Medallion Book Award winner Can Man Live Without God? I thought it was odd, and question the whole “autonomous” image. So it wasn't a secret. A touch of charisma, a gift of gab, and a bag of gimmicks will take you far in SBC ranks. So was Paige Patterson (who fell from grace) … so was Frank Page (who fell from grace). The rise of these secular gods presents the most serious challenge to the absolute claims of Christ since… Paperback. Sounds like something the serpent in the wilderness would say. A jobs program for Preacher-Boyz and their relatives, nothing more. He worked out a deal where a cooperating church could get their donations to a specific church plant under the NAMB umbrella count as a NAMB donation. And that he needed to literally masturbate in front of her as a release and as a therapy for the stress that he was under from ministry. And the women told me that they read the books. Ken F (aka Tweed): There really should be only one Orthodox church in the US. “Church plants” aren’t groups of Christians who need a new church. He did very little work in India. Caner came and spoke in one of my classes at Liberty, before he wrote his book and became famous in that crowd. “ministry” = oxymoronic word grand prize winner. Reformed Arminianism (yes it exists) is very different from Wesleyan Arminianism. But I noticed that many of those leaders wanted to pander to their friends, no matter how badly they were behaving. Also Georgia laws on massage therapists tightened up in 2010. Who slew our great Goliath, and rescued us from Pharaoh, discharged our debt, and released us from prison? They are having loads of problems. I actually heard a young New Calvinist preacher say “I am the gospel.”. Why were you frequenting the establishment? But since captious men torture this and similar passages, it will be needful to refute them shortly, since it can be done without trouble.”. Like, it might be true, but it sounds a little exaggerated and there's not a lot of evidence. Maybe that is why Johnny defended Ravi. And I think that that's something that I think we should all be wrestling with as we talk about who Jesus is and who we are. So when did it first seem that perhaps not everything was adding up when it came to Ravi's character? “Scientology” was only ever fundamentalism with a bit of “white heat” thrown in. The answer isn’t in the type of service; it’s in the people, just as Ava said. It often results in intense feelings of shame, more intense feelings of shame, guilt, and sometimes long periods of spiritual confusion. http://thewartburgwatch.com/2019/05/03/the-secret-exorbitant-and-ridiculous-salaries-of-southern-baptist-convention-leadership-and-celebrity-pastors/, ishy: opposite side of the New Calvinists. 92/575, Woodstock becoming one of the fastest growing areas of north metro Atlanta. Black pastors are leaving it because they will not embrace systematic racism which is Marxism. They should leave “DNA” to the algae and the amoebas. And if that doesn't make us more attentive to and more responsive to both real victims in the world and suspicious of the ways that we justify ourselves and the people that we hold up, then, to me, that feels like a betrayal of the gospel that we need to promote and proclaim. Hardcover. This post appears to be a serious, informative, and very disturbing post, and all you have to offer is a “1”??? I also have attended my mother in law’s Lutheran church on occasion, and I can appreciate their liturgical approach. But do you hear the Spirit? In an especial manner, and in the highest degree, He is the God of His people. Especially the huge overhead of the pastor’s salary…. The only way I felt like a foreigner was with the Orthodox culture and tradition. As is so often the case in the SBC, the “Good Ole Boy” network was alive and well in the appointment of Johnny Hunt. As Jesus said in His time, Woe to the religious elite who sound good (words, apologists) but live despicable predatory lives, until consequently finding millstones around their necks, to be buried in the deepest sea for Eternity. Moving money around, that’s not really new, but that’s been a hallmark of the New Calvinists’ leadership, along with lies about why they are moving money around. The new, new $hiny thing. Max: Sproul struck me as kind of smug in the DVD series of his that I saw. And of course, when sword drills are introduced, all of metaphoric “battle verse” are cited…. Ken F (aka Tweed): The dilemma here is no one really understands Calvinism because for every interpretation of Calvinism there is at least one group of self-identified Calvinists who will reject it as a misunderstanding of real Calvinism. BFFs? Calvinism’s doctrine of limited atonement is certainly nothing to smile about. It is so very different from my protestant upbringing. Do tell more, Johnny. The Southern Baptist convention is splitting up and re-splitting. There really should be only one Orthodox church in the US. Muff Potter: They get away with it because little people cannot afford silver tongued attorneys. All the wanna-be preacher boyz, all trying to keep up the Furticks and reach the heights of the Copelands. Many Woodstock members challenged Hunt and were escorted from the church. I know that this is one industry where trafficking is very prevalent, even though I’ve been told (by a law enforcement officer) that they regularly do checks. Maybe we need new terms, lol. People run in panic from anything that remotely looks Catholic, but they will put up with gimmicky shows you see in mega churches. For example, when a man is excited, a therapist is licensed to explain to the patient that what they are demonstrating physically is inappropriate and if they continue, they cannot come back. I would trust Sharma’s statement for accuracy more than Hunt since he was a co-owner. Prior to becoming NAMB President, Ezell was Al Mohler’s pastor … think about it. In places like Greece, one is simply Orthodox. If any one again objects—this is making God act with duplicity, the answer is ready, that God always wishes the same thing, though by different ways, and in a manner inscrutable to us. One woman told me that he masturbated in front of her more than 50 times over several years. On March 11, 1997, the Johnny Hunt Chair of Biblical Preaching was established at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Didn’t Hunt take a leave of absence from Woodstock five or more years ago? You really see it with the rise of mass media, which C.S. But other than that…. I live in a “happy inconsistency” that I can do experiments that show electrons are particles, and then do an experiment that shows electrons have “wave like” properties ( it is actually more accurate to say they have properties that are best described as a probability distribution … not a single particle) … PS it is not very hard to go in the lab and do this…, Herein lies the true arrogance of many of theses theologians, or pseudo theologian…. And of course there is a third way: evangelical universalism. He forgot about the sex abuse in the SBC…. Who is ever near to thwart our foes, and to pluck our feet from the snare of the fowler? !”, Jeffrey Chalmers: I live in a “happy inconsistency”. Or did I misunderstand? They did later fine the spa as a business. And that the people who know that the solution to sin is in Christ are also the people who should be taking a sin the most seriously. Not the Father only, but the Son of God, is also on our side. These styles are a matter of personal preference. We reported on the sexting story many years ago and mentioned it in his obituary, but this report that we've published on Tuesday brings in another thread. People like Ravi give faith and massage therapists a bad name. But these were really just annoyances compared with the actual abuse some people have been subjected to. While recording the video Baughman was interrupted by a phone call from Senior VP for Evangelism and Pastoral Leadership at NAMB and Pastor Emeritus of FBC Woodstock, Johnny Hunt. According to ECFA guidelines that is not acceptable. A less vivid, but still pretty firm, memory from that series was one of the lectures on eschatology. He’s really been famous within evangelical circles since the early ’80s as an apologist, as someone who makes arguments about the philosophical foundations and framework that show that faith in God is reasonable. JDV: The family aspect appears to go in the hirelings / grievous wolves playbook as frequently as the musical chairs aspect. Daniel Sillman: So apologetics is mostly historically an academic discipline. “The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?” Psalm 118:6 No, homeschool your kids to protect them from the evil public school world. With what we now know, I suggest what Ravi Zacharias was involved in may be classified as sex-trafficking. Mimetics = memetics. “Winning isn’t Everything — Winning is THE ONLY THING!” Not even adjacent. What you also mention has been noted by others over the years. It’s been an orchestrated Calvinization of the largest non-Calvinist denomination in the U.S. through stealth and deception. Not even adjacent. I don’t doubt it. Razi/Hunt would have known this. All I keep wondering is if there are really any decent people left in leadership in the SBC?

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