She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. Never mind! I have a question. There are no words . This story breaks my heart. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Page 463 It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. Chris only saw things with one lense. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. Police photos read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. . But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range Its horrible. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. Even the few days shannan was gone. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. Powered by. Page 582, 6. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. You should apologise to him actually for your rude remarks in your comment. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Same with NK. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. FACT: That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Was Shanann ever clinically diagnosed with OCD by a physician or a psychiatrist? When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. But youre not thinking any further than that. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! Exhausting and she was pregnant. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. dirty murderer! Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. What about rigormortis? I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Shannann even said that he was like another person. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! Maybe he lost patience with her. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) @nickvdl Hi. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? Of course we dont know what shes talking about. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. She also wanted to make her marriage work. @huey Please read todays post where it reads Do you have any family that said she had OCD? So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. Did you live with them? After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. How would you have reacted in her situation? Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. Thanks for making the reports public. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. I wondered what became of the gas can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. He snapped and I was terrified of him. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Hello everyone, She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. I cannot get over what he did. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Good to have a former forensic detective around. And then you test it in various scenarios. She strangled them.. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. Unless I missed it? Meacham [who knew Shanann from school] described Shanaan as OCD in the way the household operated. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Are you a parent? Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. But thats me. I would put the blame on Chris! IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Please explain. CW planned it, read it up. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Some people never saw. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Back? Its a matter of body position. RIP Angels. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. You know theres plenty of that right? Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? Correct. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. Thats inaccurate. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? of OCD triggers and symptoms. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. Dont forget, she is pregnant. If anything, I would say its more like few / some. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. Seriously? Which is odd to me again. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Its actually not uncommon. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. They should have been talked to later. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. No other way to put it. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. Blood Alcohol. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. I agree with you Jessica I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. They were out of town and it was still spotless. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. Just asking a question. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Unless you count her phone. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. She was an environmental science person. Kick him? He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. Thats why no defense wounds. She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. stop, stop. . Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. How was she about her childrens allergies? I found nothing unusual with that part. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Youre obviously trolling! I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. I think she had it Watts or Bella Marie Watts was 15-16 pregnant! 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