Estrogen priming is pretty standard for over 40. Create an account or log in to participate. One thing to keep in mind is that every cycle, there is a new cohort of follicles availble to be stimulated, meaning that during different months the same protocol may work more successfully than others simply due to the natural variation in available follicles. This is not recommended for shared computers. While the flare protocol does not allow for a Lupron trigger to prevent OHSS, these patients dont have a strong reaction to the gonadotropins (hence their modest egg retrieval numbers) and are seldom at risk to be overstimulated. Spandorfer said it would not suppress me to much not sure about this, need to speak with him further. On the other hand, if too much gonadotropin is taken, a woman is at higher risk of hyperstimulation, known as Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome or OHSS. To bridge that gap, doctors prescribe drugs that woman take at the start of a cycle to instigate growth of ovarian follicles that contain eggs. I'm 40, doing IVFdue to age and a mc at 10 weeks due to Trisomy18. Had three chromosomal miscarriages last year, moved on to IVF with intention of genetic testing but had to cancel cycle a few days in, E2 never got above 36 while on max dose of 300 Gonol f and 300 Menopur. There are two downsides to this protocols: The long duration of injections (they start the previous cycle) and. No it's not a "low dose" protocol exactly. Will let you know how things go from here. Very helpful! Slightly higher doses of Follistim and Menopur to try to get a few more eggs. Estrogen Priming protocol does not have birth control pills. By clicking sign up, you agree to receive emails from FertilitySmarts and agree to our Terms of Use & Privacy Policy. TTC with DOR (Diminished Ovarian Reserve), the most helpful and trustworthy pregnancy and parenting information. Best of luck. Candice maybe11 129 Dec 08, 2009 #3 Hi, The intuition here is that these women are so prone to a good response, they hardly need much medication to produce the targeted 15 - 20 eggs. Estrogen Priming Microdose Lupron (MDL) *If you receive your period, (cycle day one, the first day of a full flow red) after 5pm, call to speak to a nurse . He did say there are some studies that DHEA and CoQ10 could help, but the, Hi all. Are you sure you want to block this member? I also did estrogen priming with the mini. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282. Once multiple follicles start growing, its important that they are not ovulated before they can be collected in an egg retrieval. The protocol can also be preceded by the use of BCPs even if you have DOR. I just had my ER last week: . This clinic is more generous with freezing, so they tested and froze a few other blasts as well, which the other clinic would have thrown out. Dr Sher says "oestrogen priming of FSH receptors has been reported to slow premature follicular development and to promote granulosa cell FSH receptor induction". Patients using EPP exhibited similar clinical PRs (21.5% vs. 21.4%) and live birth rates (15.0% vs. 15.3%) per started cycle. Thanks for well wishes. I think if I hadn't EPP, I wouldn't have had to stim so high. I did a phone consult with Sher and he suggested the conversion protocol to me as well. I also did human growth on 2 cycles and didn't help a bit. The #1 app for tracking pregnancy and baby growth. I just had a consultation with an RE he recommended a "estrogen priming micro-flare lupron" protocol. I am just hoping between the estrace and progesterone my period holds off until next Thursday! My body seemed to appreciate the extra estrogen. Beta 2093 Here's what you need to know about the project. Similarly, many doctors believe low dose approaches work equally well as high dose approaches on women who are likely to be hyper responders. These are women who have a high AMH or had a high number of eggs retrieved in a previous cycle. Another set of investigators looked at a variation of the same question. View Full Term. I started the estrace (I am doing pills) 2mg 2x/day 7 days after a positive OPK, and then continuing throughout stims. RE put me on Estrogen priming protocol, and I am on Lupron and Cetrotide as well.On Friday, (cycle day 6) the newer nurse thought she saw 11 follicles.. ranging from 5mm to 9mm.. now, Cycle day 9, the other nurse, who has been there forever, saw only 5 and she had a hard time locating my other ovary. It's not the same for everyone over 40. Northwestern Medicine. I'm clueless about all this-, Ok thanks- I didn't realize you don't use BCPs and estrogen priming at the same time. I also did ganirelix during this time. Join Tomato Lovers & Participate in the Ukrainian Tribute Growout! I did EPP with my 3rd cycle and it didn't help. Anyways, just wanted to mention that in case you want to ask your RE about it. I used two patches a dayandchanged the patches every third day. Our last cycle was such a bust! On CD2 I started 300 Gonal F and 150 Menopur. xx, Oww Hun, please dont worry about me, look after yourself, here if you need a listening ear xxx. Polyspermy refers to the fertilization of one egg with multiple sperm cells that result in the formation of an embryo with abnormal sets of chromosomes. Below you can see that when investigators gave poor responders 450 IUs or 150 IUs per day, the groups had nearly identical success rates. I'm starting with this IUI and then will see how I respond and move forward from there. ET oct 2nd - 2 embryos transferred In patients over 40 years old, after probably the 3rd round, the cumulative live birth rates are not increasing. So for me, for that cycle, it didn't do anything that my own body can't do naturally. This drug works indirectly by prompting the brain to produce more gonadotropin to signal the ovaries to grow follicles -- so it's not directly stimulating the ovary. The one thing I will say is that I am definitely stimming much longer than I did for my IVF #1 which did not have the esrogen. This is caused by insufficient potassium reaching the fruit due to environmental factors such as high air/soil temperatures and overcast skies or heavy fruit load on plants with lower organic matter content in their soils. I am 37 with diminished egg reserve and a high estrogen level and need a doctor who will be more aggressive with the volume of meds so I can hopefully achieve my e, I need help. IVF#2 started sept 19th Just devastated with my results today so just want to cry it out and then I will respond to you. I dont know much.But my RE will do EEP for my second cycle..I'm just reading alot on the net, http://estrogenprimingprotocol.blogspot.com/. Does anyone have experience with this? Lupton trigger. Now this is a guesstimated number. Best of luck to you. I have been doing some research and reading and I was reading that for older patients, a different protocol where less meds are used is usually recommend. They said that they look at FSH less now as they find it too unreliable. Experience with Estrogen Priming Protocol? I know you ladies all have your own stuff going on and I feel terrible asking but I dont know who else to askBarb, penny, joy, anyone else, Ive read that an estrogen priming protocol is good for DOR women, do you know if this is true? Anyhow, do you know how what they wanted the priming to do? 1) focus on the quality (not quantity) of eggs. There seems to be two schools of thought: Thanks! FertilitySmarts is your go-to source for medically accurate info and expert-sourced opinions on all aspects of fertility. 6 responded, 5 retrieved, 3 fertilized normally, put all 3 back in at 3dpt - I am currently 27 weeks with one baby girl. HI.. hope all is well. After 2 years, tons of tests and 5 IVF cycles, it still feels unreal.Estrogen Priming protocol does not have birth control pills. Have done 3 IUI's - 2 w. clomid and 1 with Gonal - F. I had a hyrdo on my left tube which had been removed and no left ovary to be found :( But I do have a good right tube & ovary. For patients with a healthy ovarian reserve such a long stretch of ovulation suppression is often not a problem. Hi there. I hope you get to eat those words, I really do!!! What affect did the epp have on your follicles? I was on bcps and Lupron the first ivf. Sadly, both my hatching blasts were abnormal. i had success with DE. Often two other types of drugs are needed to accompany gonadotropin: those that block eggs from maturing and being ovulated before they can be retrieved, and those that help trigger the eggs to mature so they can be retrieved. Recent Topics When The Data Favors Freezing All Embryos, Issues Associated With Twin or Triplet Pregnancies. After my period started, my doctor kept me on the patches for five more days. I am about to start my 4th IVF cycle. For free! Cool.let me know what he says if you would please. to keep trying as well as using our FSA max 3 years in a row. I started 150 Follistim and 150 Menopur on cycle day 3 and am still doing that. I hope you like the protocol. . No BCP - started my period, did cycle day 2 testing FSH was good (I had high a FSH of 15 so EPP helped that) then started meds. Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) are used to stimulate the ovaries to recruit and develop more than one follicle. It will workjust have faith! Use of this site is subject to our terms of use and privacy policy. 2nd IVF/ICSI age 42 : Menopur 425; 2 eggs; 2 fertislised; transfer day 5; BFN Estrogen is administered during the luteal phase of the previous menstrual cycle to "prime" the FSH receptors which enhances the response to FSH. They put me on birth control pills for a month and are skipping the early stage Estrace this time around. mcg/day) and estrogen priming is started [Estradiol patches 50 mg 2X/week and Estradiol Valerate (Progynova) 4 mg, o., bd., which is continued until the human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) trigger day]. By: Kelly Park And I think EPP is the standard at CCRM as well for DOR ladies. Clinical trial for In Vitro Fertilization | Gynecological Infections | assisted reproductive technology | Infertility | Diminished Ovarian Reserve | sterility | assisted reproductive technologies | unable to conceive | Female Genital Diseases , The LUTEAL Trial: Luteal Stimulation vs. Estrogen Priming Protocol I did estrogen priming after my first Ivf cycle ended in mc (nothing to freeze) & my 2nd cycle was canceled bc I wasn't responding well to stims. (51.2% vs 25%; p = 0.047) were noted. However, sometimes when sliced open, white rings can appear in the flesh, a disorder known as "internal white tissue." Check out this video to learn more about the. Dont know what. 14 retrieved, 9 mature, 5 fertilized normally, 2 grew to the 2-cell stage then arrested, 3 did not grow beyond one cell. I hav, My last ivf cycle was cancelled/converted to IUI due to being over suppressed by birth control pills. Dwarf Mr Snow, Fred's Tie Dye, Saucy Mary, Sweet Scarlet, Kangaroo Paw Green, Idaho Gem and Banana Toes are just a few of the varieties one gardener is growing in a 4x8 bed of "bulletproof" tomatoes. I then did 450 gonal-F and 150 menopur for 12 or 13 days, using ganirelix as well. Outdoor sports and activities of all types. Yes, I did antagonist for IVF 1, 2 and 3. If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. unfortunately, it was just an age issue, which i knew all along, but i had to try. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. That patients must use an hCG trigger they cannot use Lupron as a trigger (because theyre already taking it) which is problematic because Lupron is the only trigger shot that fends off OHSS. DOR does suck, but you can still be successful! As you can see below, the odds of success (green line) continue to rise as more eggs are retrieved, until about 15 - 20 eggs, at which point the odds of success stop climbing and the risk of developing ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, or OHSS, (pink line) skyrockets. first u/s Nov 2nd, one little bean!!! 10 retrieved, 6 mature, 6 fertilized (half with ICSI), transferred two 8-cell embryos on day three (both with moderate fragmentation, graded B and C-), the four remaining arrested by day 5. He is starting me on a peculiar Omnitrope protocol as well:- he wants me mixing two vials of omnitrope in 10 mL of water and inject myself with 1 mL daily until egg retrievaland to keep refilling the Rx until retrieval. What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. I will probably stim for 12-13 days! 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