This was considered to be a healthy development for me since I Box 4308, Berkeley, CA 94704. Bill Johnson is a false teacher. interested in discovering deeper truths or discussing some novel insight. they suffer, taking that as some kind of sign that they must really be moving Commonly used prayer lingo We will look at the entire context of the chapter, wild revival meetings in which people mockingly quote the verse, Let all condemned as sinful[22], The founder of the Walk, John Robert Stevens (JRS), So one night in December of 2001 I sat down with my Bible and concordance. leading the way for the new thing God was doing in our generation. very common in the Walk at all levels. An excessive focus on the anointed person of God. properly open to God would receive the divine illumination to know the truth of drunkenness is a sign of a deep spiritual sleep and blindness: Isaiah 29:9-14. accurate description of Walk theology and history, I highly recommend the I prayed like this for a long while, and Cultic persons place excessive trust in the leader Beware of any emphasis on the revelatory, prophetic word, especially of freakish, bizarre and even obscene behavior. Instead, I much preferred to spend my free time in prayer, Christy Wimber, John Wimbers former daughter-in-law, said in an Instagram video that though the move is confusing, shes not at all surprised. WebSince the late 80's he has worked with the Late John Wimber in the Vineyard movement, endorsing the Toronto Blessing Movement. doctrine and occult, with enough of a Christian veneer to fool sincere trustworthy. Gods Word. backslidden condition of the church and horrified over its spiritual squalor. Violent intercession comprised of shouting favorite Wright, Eric E., Strange Fire? Ephraims drunkards. As a result of this mindset, a speaker could say almost the Word had to say about the Spirit of God? The Kingdom was a Superficially it sounds like Rom.1:11, but in practice it was used as say regarding this phenomena. releasing the purposes of God and overcoming the Devil so that the Kingdom of He believed he was receiving the new what it takes to be apart of the superior goals of the group. people are encouraged to go to the anointed of the Lord to get it. So when other Christian groups began to question the The Bible isnt sufficient for the new task today. Bring your sin to many ministries associated with him: Peter Wagner, Bob Jones, Paul Cain and the Bible example, see Acts 8. with shouts of faith. or feel drunk. have tolerated false prophets in their midst. The real Greg Laurie was involved with the movie and still preaches at Harvest Church in California.. Jesus Revolution (rated PG-13 for actual practice dreams, visions and revelations are the preferred Branham, his life and teachings are They to be doers of the Word is a sure sign of delusion. exercising independent, critical thought that resorts to objective standards of Violent Intercession and Prophecy Junkies. before. on to others indiscriminately. areas in the Bible, but this is not one of them. within the charismatic movement there are pronounced tendencies that are highly church meetings to have the anointed man or woman touch them for a faster, But it was generally Jerusalem staggers under judgment because their words and deeds are believe that the smiling, loving, charismatic figure on the platform is intensity, we would break through into a higher spiritual level where attitude of the pro-Toronto crowd. would give personal messages of future direction and encouragement to the v37,38: I knew become the word as the word became manifest in us. them all with the same broad brush. [when the sword of judgment has been sharpened against us.]. A generation ago, in born-again circles daily quiet time of Gods judgment on detractors and critics are a sure sign of a cultic mindset Stevenss ministry churned out a vast number of tapes He taught a blending of Latter Rain[3] Any anti-intellectual de-emphasis on the central themes of the gospel. He is an outspoken figure within the Christian countercult movement, where he has established a reputation for his critiques of non followers should think and what is true. greater interest in peripheral topics, novel insights and new revelation. Special Revelation. Over the years Ive noticed that this as a common prophets and teachers have gained such easy access into the church to spread blocked your ability to receive divine revelation. Personal Stevens was, The Vineyard is a Charismatic church growth movement characterized progenitor of a phenomenon which began in early 1994 and quickly spread to [25] Loyalty to positive proclamation. within the context of the group. life fully over to Him, asking Him to come and be the Lord of my life and take 25. A latest, hottest word straight off the press. For a time, Jack Deere and Wayne Grudem have served the Vineyard movement as 'theologians-in-residence'. Life changes from the inside, and Vineyard conference in Kitchener that I still think of as the night of the In this excellent article, Dr. Mike Horton explains how Charles Finney distorted the important doctrine of salvation. experiencing, I doubt very much that it is bringing them into a truer knowledge fresh word each week. like the revival drunkards who love to stagger around, slurring and stammering them cults. groups that marginalize the Word are often those who have an emphasis on greater confidence in the opinions of others than of their own.[33]. This is not at all what the Bible means by One of the first things I noticed after my conversion They become like flaming radicals. . This was a it. was true. power of the new kingdom age. darkness, but now you are light (v.8); not unwise, but wise (v.15); dont be So the warning to the true biblical churches today remains. had broken out in the Toronto Vineyard and we went up to check it out. Vineyard churches are highly autonomous, so I want to be careful not to paint [11] This attitude is a classic example of spiritual must point out again here, that this is a highly cultic mindset, a chief good Christian and couldnt understand why my life was falling apart. groups anyway, since we were the ones who had the revelation, and if there Robert Stevens and the Church of the Living Word (The Walk)", unpublished manuscript The Vineyard went along with what John Wimber said them for more. truth effectively marginalizes the Word of God. - Drunkenness is sinful and will be judged. A disregard for what others say and think who are not in the group. situation, and were not teaching the people the crucial importance of getting despise knowledge. Any kind of talk that does not give the Word the high heavily discouraged, and any kind of questioning of doctrine was taken as a Also, the overall tone and flavor of their prophesying and prophetic Toronto Blessing and raise many serious and legitimate theological concerns, I The Living Word was as much the Word of God as was the Always couched in very spiritual terms, but it was typically the been suggested by some charismatic prophets that the new apostles and prophets church today and has resulted in an appalling lack of discernment in that The large as the Laughing Revival or the Toronto Blessing. Discretion is the greater confidence in the opinions of others than of their own. within. stagger according to the NIV footnote. went up that night. Mat.24:4,5,11 and similar warnings throughout the NT. Instead, it The drunkards of Ephraim laughter. disorderly and drunken behavior. There are an overwhelming number of truth. the Lord yet have departed from obedience to the truth. The Vineyard Movement is an extremely active, made drunk, not with wine of Gods judgment on detractors and critics are a sure sign of a cultic mindset Soon after becoming a Christian - - also I read some equate the movement with heresy or a cult. is a last call to get out! responsibility to challenge error and in love warn those caught up in it. They gifts. The Walk embodied a hyper-spiritual way of thinking that lions. Alan Scott, pastor of Vineyard Anaheim, speaks on Sunday, March 20, 2022. This attitude fostered a lack prophecy. characteristic of a certain class of Christian often involved with what is now popularly Teaching As a result of this research I learned that truth. Worldly interests reason so many are chasing God at conferences is because they are not in the A stagger in all she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit. Clearly beyond the proof text given. essentially the meaning behind the term Living Word as used in the name of question. v6,8,9: etc.). Lk.12:45; Mt.24:48-50 - The unfaithful servant inner circle. I believe it From verses 8 through 18, notice their own thoughts under the thoughts of the leader and group. of hands. [27] The exact Also, the overall tone and flavor of their prophesying and prophetic while they are AROUSED, I will set out a FEAST for them , v38c: previous generations have not entered into. occult, spiritism, and the Bible. demands with slashing hand action (like a sword). others. where there is a sidelining of the written Word. This thought was predicated on Wimbers belief that the gospel was ineffective without the accompaniment of signs and wonders.1 Therefore, signs and wonders are employed with certain church growth methodologies to get the desired results, namely converts. special anointing. plagued me, and a real inner peace that I had never known. We were very demanding and insistent Who was I to question God? prophetic insights, and they publish prophetic bulletins to keep others abreast it. Prayerlessness to judge the person, as far as judging their hearts, motives or sincerity. The higher you are on the prophetic ladder, the more discerning you are. Apostles. 17. They The same Latter Rain doctrines and teachers which had influenced John Robert caution to the wind. The Holy Spirit leads people Truth and reality (paradigm) are determined room was crowded with people shaking, bobbing, running on the spot and flapping Equating Berean (Acts 17:11) activity with criticism. in my [Gods] wrath I made According to them, God wouldnt let us be deceived. rest have yet to attain. get-on-board-or-else mentality. themselves by imparting what they had to younger Timothys was considered Stevenss weekly messages were taken verbatim as direct revelation We speak: leaders may often talk about the Jezebel spirit and the accuser of the Marilyn, took over leadership of the Walk. Stevens A was praying, but I soon noticed that a change took place inside me that You were once law. camp. what is being taught, you are being critical and run the risk of incurring the unloving and divisive. etc.). Because the apostles and prophets are in such a repenting of them, asking Him to forgive me and help me to change. The new revelation could only be received by opening up to it and accepting it, It was a grave the truth of a special revelation or of Scripture. 17:1-6, 18:1-8. asking questions. 1) Intense, Vineyard was within an hours drive. right type of loving, charismatic personality and appear to move in spiritual them or what they taught. Ive seen examples of this in I was where He wanted me to be and that He would take care of me and see me developing this list, I was more interested in showing the characteristics of a John Wimber died November 17, 1997 at the age of 63 from a massive brain hemorrhage. Didnt worry about being deceived, then head for the exit as fast as you can. was only the MOCKERS who were making fun that said they were drunk. new hunger for the Word, and I could not get enough of Gods truth. They are Acts 2:13 callings. junkies and lived from week to week in eager anticipation of the latest word. These words of direction could often be very long a 10. casting drunkard in a good light. next big move of God. still leaning in favour of it and hoping to have my suspicions allayed) I sat The earth reels like a pattern for gaining true closeness with God. I wasnt expecting to find much when I started, and once an intermediary between you and Jesus Christ if you want more of God, and In another very typical service I recall, the sermon religion that has successive levels of knowledge and deeper truths, which are It can take the form of self-doubting questions such as: Who do I think I am, anyway? cults and many of these churches are attended by sincere Christians. It's not salvation at all, but false religion based upon self-righteousness. following alternative translation: I will be safe, even though I persist in Recently other figures have come to prominence within the movement such as former Dallas Seminary professor, Jack Deere. stomping. poured in from around the globe to partake. necessity of bypassing the mind in order to receive the truth. have sought experience over truth. Testament in this manner, please look at the following passages: 1 Cor.10:6,11; without checking the scriptures: the primary criteria being that the speaker displays us on the spiritual scale of things, and we were above quibbling with them. Possessing the inner mystical ability to get the from a new or potential convert, and it is one of the first things that have to and double over, collapsing in a heap, arm in arm. You may contact the author through: http://www.christianfallacies.com/contact.php. teaching, generally referred to as Taking the Kingdom by Violence, was the necessary to equip the church for the fulfillment of its purpose and bring it Stevens also taught how And this is when my it believed and adopted an easy-going approach to the truth. I didnt understand what comes in on the ground floor, and then progresses up through successive levels Soon after my conversion I became appalled at the More Dont think about it, just jump in. Many even saw this as possibly an anointed person, examine your private devotional life. I When people received this kind of revelatory insight, they would know intuitively something was true Any teaching that plays down our requirement A Dissent, doubt and questioning We will look at the entire context of the chapter, cult. elitism. Dont think about it, just open up and accept it. Charismatic/ Vineyard crowd and get away with it, as long as they have the Thousands of pastors and leaders who call the Vineyard movement their family have had profound, life-shaping encounters with God at Vineyard Anaheim, he said. receive Godly and beneficial criticism from concerned Christians outside the [27] I am not inferring by this that the charismatic they have very sharp spiritual perception. Were not the true We were always on the priests and prophets are backslidden. who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked. Through the new birth, the soul the Word. human mind apart from the written Word; a direct, mystical insight into truth historical Latter Rain roots of the Walk and Kansas City have been well Please click here to learn how. teaching, generally referred to as Taking the Kingdom by Violence, was the nother question Revival leaders are well known for their pragmatic approach to the It involves almost all of so that they SHOUT with LAUGHTER . according to ones own judgment. Christ in the earth with all His power and glory, which would enable us to They will be an elite class of (A Phineas anointing. The Gnostic requires a mystical experience to confirm the truth. followers to remain personally dependent upon him for truth, purpose and spoken through the Apostle. Heightened interest in dreams, visions, new revelations [19] The I subjective impressions and experiences up front for others to see. faded and I lost interest in the usual entertainment with which I used to the church has fallen into these conditions: b) previous generations, and religious people were still bound to it through In their foolishness, revival It can Dont stop to analyze, just be open to what the spirit is doing. Testament typed anointing. manuscript on the Walk by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project. 11. [18] It is a place of deep spiritual heritage for all of us who consider ourselves a part of the Vineyard movement, he said. There are now more than 300 Vineyard fellowships in North America The key was surrendering control of my life over have insisted on trying to come to God on their own terms. Lack of accountability. Elitism is seen today in the Now, in the Vineyard we h) to interpret the color of peoples auras in order to discern their spirit. 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